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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 12:04:52 Moving back to the original post here, I don't think that the viewpoint that SF support piracy to be at all controversial. After all, not only are they currently flying alongside The Sani Sabik alliance, they have also previously flown alongside The Black Rabbits. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger As you well know Rodj, not opposing is not the same as "supporting". Oh come on now, you did a lot more than merely "not oppose" The Black Rabbits. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Do tell. Are you suggesting that the official news was wrong when it said that the Star Fraction had declared its support for the Rabbits? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 09:51:30 May I be the first to congratulate the Laughing Leprechauns and Collateral Damage. Impressive work. Interesting, so Rodj digs at our specific declaration for support for the Rabbits in a concord sanctioned war. But is quite prepared to offer full and hearty congratulations for the Laughing Leprechauns (a pirate corp in Kheram). Isn't life hard when you need to avoid contradicting oneself in different threads ... It's always good to see one bunch of pirates destroy the ships of another bunch of pirates. It saves me a job. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 14:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Saragael The arguement of not support but not oppsoing would work except past actions are to the contrary. In the war with KD, SF not only supported operations with the pirates but planned them and executed them. Even going so far as to include them in their planning over the long term. So the cry of not supporting seems hollow when the history of SF is looked at. You got some proof to go along with those ridiculous allegations or are you just teasing me? Let's go back to our live-fire exercises in the Mito constellation. On several occasions we camped the Black Rabbits who were docked in a station. Eventually, they would undock and engage us. I suppose that it's a complete coincidence that every time this happened SF ships entered local and warped to the station at optimal range as soon as we opened fire? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 14:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Saragael The arguement of not support but not oppsoing would work except past actions are to the contrary. In the war with KD, SF not only supported operations with the pirates but planned them and executed them. Even going so far as to include them in their planning over the long term. So the cry of not supporting seems hollow when the history of SF is looked at. You got some proof to go along with those ridiculous allegations or are you just teasing me? Let's go back to our live-fire exercises in the Mito constellation. On several occasions we camped the Black Rabbits who were docked in a station. Eventually, they would undock and engage us. I suppose that it's a complete coincidence that every time this happened SF ships entered local and warped to the station at optimal range as soon as we opened fire? You where our enemy. Why would we not attack you? Why would we not synchronise our efforts with other people known to be in hostilities with you? Unless you consider our attacks against a declared ideological enemy to be acts of piracy I fail to see how what you've said is anything but pointless. Thank you for your admission that you were synchronising your efforts against us with the piratical Black Rabbits. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 14:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Thank you for your admission that you were synchronising your efforts against us with the piratical Black Rabbits. So where is that different from CVA synchronising its efforts with the piratical IAC ? But can IAC really be said to be pirates? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 14:58:27 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Thank you for your admission that you were synchronising your efforts against us with the piratical Black Rabbits. So where is that different from CVA synchronising its efforts with the piratical IAC ? But can IAC really be said to be pirates? if it can't, can the black rabbits really be said to be pirates? Or is it that you just object to them being honest about what they do? Actually, forgot, honesty is something you've never liked... live fire exercise indeed Can you tell me how synchronising efforts with someone we are not hostile to but is at war with someone that has also declared war on us, is supporting their activities? We have no regard for what they do when it does not involve us. Something you and your side seems very preoccupied with û therefore, what your allies do is a reflection upon you by your own ideology. What ours do, by our own ideology, is their own business. The difference between the IAC as far as I can tell is that the Black Rabbits are aligned to the Guristas and actively pirate, whereas I believe that the IAC are a predominantly NRDS 0.0 alliance who occasionally change to NBSI when their territory is threatened. Now, if that's enough to make the IAC pirates, then it follows that Jade Constantine and the rest of the original JF members are also pirates. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger were, not are. IAC does... JF did... its like teaching my kid brother to read all over again So you consider JF to be ex-pirates then? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 15:33:12 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake So you consider JF to be ex-pirates then? You have no idea how many Star Fraction members are ex pirates ... Including your cousin according to your definition of piracy. Incidentally, were you in the JF when the NVA adopted an NBSI policy? Anyway since you say that I have no idea about how many SF members are ex-pirates, then please tell me! And also, please tell us if they were flying under the JF banner when they were committing acts of piracy Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 15:43:00 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake And also, please tell us if they were flying under the JF banner when they were committing acts of piracy Of course not. Since JF is NRDS we've never committed acts of aggression on neutrals. Except of course when you were flying under NBSI. Quote: Now since I've answered one of your questions maybe you'd like to tell me if PIE Inc. is relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No. How is PIE's relevance to the Empire relevant to the discussion at hand? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 23/05/2007 15:47:45 Originally by: Rodj Blake Except of course when you were flying under NBSI. Even when we were flying under an NBSI-loving counterrevolutionary council. Why do you think Halseth and the rest staged a coup and kicked us out for being NRDS freespace loving peaceniks ... ? So what you're saying is, that JF weren't pirates (according to your definition of piracy), they were just the mouthpieces of the pirates they flew alongside. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:14:00 - [13] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/05/2007 16:12:39 Originally by: Nekumi Edited by: Nekumi on 23/05/2007 16:07:51 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 23/05/2007 15:47:45 Originally by: Rodj Blake Except of course when you were flying under NBSI. Even when we were flying under an NBSI-loving counterrevolutionary council. Why do you think Halseth and the rest staged a coup and kicked us out for being NRDS freespace loving peaceniks ... ? So what you're saying is, that JF weren't pirates (according to your definition of piracy), they were just the mouthpieces of the pirates they flew alongside. So what your saying is, that you don't know how to read and understand words. So what your saying is that no matter what anyone actually tells you, you will continually ignore it and keep parroting the same thing you've been saying over and over again despite being proven wrong a multitude of times. So what your saying is that you are a lame duck representative of a worthless organisation who has nothing good to do but post on galnet or hide in the coattails of people who actually affect the space they live. I like this game. I'm merely trying to clarify JF's position. Firstly, it's claimed that JF neither endorse nor condemn piracy. Then we learn that Jasmine's definition of piracy is that NBSI groups are pirates. And yet, JF once endorsed NBSI. So what changed? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Nekumi There was no endorsement of NBSI, that was pointed out to you. If this isn't an endorsement of NBSI, then I don't what is. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Nekumi We proved with action in space that PIE are a lame duck shell of corporation, fronted by galnet blowhards, with zero ability to stand on it's own and dispelled the myth that they have any potency whatsoever. Wrong. I fail to see what your failed campaign against us has to do with your stance towards pirates, however. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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